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31 minutes | Jun 22, 2021
The Fourteenth | 9
Greg Barnes was a star athlete, model student and beloved by friends and family. He brought pride and excitement to Columbine, the Littleton community and Colorado as a rising basketball star in the state. Greg witnessed Dave Sanders get shot and was one of the students who tried to save him. Shortly after the one-year anniversary of the massacre, Greg committed suicide. Amy has held onto her feelings about Greg and her last interaction with him for 20 years. She meets with Columbine’s basketball coach Rudy Martin whose unresolved pain over Greg also still lingers.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
60 minutes | Jun 15, 2021
Safe Space | 8
Mass shootings have become terrifyingly commonplace. There’s one almost every day. They often trigger PTSD. But Parkland was particularly difficult for Amy. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School teacher, Kim Krawczyk goes on the record with Amy, in an unfiltered interview, to address the Broward County Public Schools' failures, the need for a more robust mental health response to these types of traumas, and the warning signs the district missed before the killer's rampage. Dr. Peter Langman, a renowned expert on school shooters, weighs in on what he’s learned by studying them and the one thing they all have in common. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
14 minutes | Jun 11, 2021
Columbine had a ripple effect across the country to how law enforcement responded to and engaged with an active shooter. One first responder, Officer Omar Delgado, who was first on the scene at the 2016 Orlando Pulse nightclub shooting, explains to Amy what training can’t teach you when you’re confronted with an active shooter.
62 minutes | Jun 8, 2021
Evacuate, Evade, Defend | 7
Kate Battan was the newest member of the investigative team in Jefferson County but that didn’t stop her boss from handing her the Columbine case. The eyes of the country, the victims and other law enforcement were all on her. Amy finally has the opportunity to ask Kate about the rumored hit list. Then Amy confronts AJ DeAndrea, one of the first responders who was on the scene, about why Coach Sanders wasn’t rescued sooner. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
57 minutes | Jun 1, 2021
What are you doing today? | 6
Addiction, suicide, jail, financial ruin. Those are just some of the problems that two of Amy’s nearest and dearest confronted after Columbine. Two fellow survivors, Zack Rissmiller and Zach Cartaya give Amy a detailed account of their experience on April 20th, 1999. Then they candidly talk about the repercussions of the trauma they experienced that horrific day. Both men share the journey of hitting rock bottom and fighting their way back. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
49 minutes | May 25, 2021
Martians Landing | 5
Quantico comes to Columbine when Mary Ellen O’Toole arrives in Littleton nearly a year after the massacre. The perpetrators knew they would die on Judgement Day so they left videos to explain their actions. Mary Ellen O’Toole was the FBI profiler who analyzed those tapes and shares her impressions with Amy. Then Amy talks with best-selling Columbine author Dave Cullen. Dave sets the record straight about myths surrounding Columbine’s social dynamics, which continue to be perpetuated 21 years after the massacre. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
58 minutes | May 18, 2021
My Girls | 4
Amy brings together her old basketball team for this first time since high school. Her teammates recount good times. And they talk about the hero who saved so many of them on April 20, Dave Sanders. Then we meet Coach Sanders’ daughters, Coni Sanders. Her sense of humor belies a deep hurt over the loss of her father. Coni recalls the frantic day they searched for information about her father’s whereabouts at hospitals and through law enforcement, only to finally learn the truth from a newspaper reporter seeking a comment. And Coni tells Amy what “dad” was really like when he wasn’t being a coach. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
50 minutes | May 11, 2021
We Are | 3
Amy takes us inside Columbine High School twenty-one years later. She finds the spot where she hid as the shooting started. She reconnects with her principal, Frank DeAngelis. We learn what he had to sacrifice in his personal life in order to be there for “his kids.” Then teacher Tom Tonelli, a current Columbine history teacher and coach, whose tenure began before the massacre, explains why he has no fear of teaching there. Amy confesses a long-held secret about her family. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.
36 minutes | May 4, 2021
Annihilation Game | 2
How does a school lunch with friends outside end with paramedics dodging gunfire in an attempt to pull your paralyzed body out of a war zone? Sean Graves shares his encounter with the Columbine killers on “Judgment Day.” The idea that anyone would try to kill him, let alone two fellow students was such a foreign idea that Sean actually went towards the gunfire, thinking it had to be a senior prank or a game. Sean candidly shares his arduous journey from paralyzed gunshot victim to school safety professional when he and Amy Over meet face-to-face for the first time.
41 minutes | May 4, 2021
Rebel | 1
Amy Over shares her experience as a high school senior, enjoying lunch in the cafeteria at Columbine High school on April 20, 1999, when two classmates went on a mission to kill as many students and faculty as they could. The Columbine massacre remains forever etched into the minds of Americans as the ground zero for the day parents stopped assuming that school is a safe place for children. Our host recounts her life as a teenager before the shooting and after. Who did she lose that day and how did it change the direction of her life? And she explains why now is when she has decided to reflect on what happened to her and her community. Amy confronts the questions that have haunted her for two decades.
3 minutes | Apr 15, 2021
Introducing Confronting: Columbine
Confronting: Columbine is hosted by Amy Over, a Columbine survivor who is still living with its aftermath and raising her own children in its shadow. Amy, through her own experience and by speaking with survivors, investigators, classmates, reporters on the scene and other important voices brings a first-person account of the physical, emotional and spiritual journey that comes along with being in the center of the Columbine massacre. Season 2 of Confronting launches on Wondery+ on April 20, 2021 and on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts on May 4, 2021.
6 minutes | Aug 28, 2019
Bonus: Love and Grief
This bonus episode is a further conversation between Kim and David Kessler, an expert in grief who contributed to Episode 10.
9 minutes | Aug 21, 2019
Bonus: A Dialogue about Domestic Violence
In this bonus episode, Kim has a conversation about domestic violence with lawyer, author, and clinical therapist Robin Sax.
16 minutes | Aug 14, 2019
Bonus: The Defense’s Defense
In this bonus episode, Kim speaks with the defense team's private investigator, Patrick McKenna.
43 minutes | Aug 7, 2019
Love Must Be Witnessed | 10
In the tenth episode of Confronting we focus on grief and reflection. The Goldmans have carried grief with them every day for the last 25 years and in this episode Kim talks to grief expert David Kessler. Kim shares with David how she’s dealt with the loss of her brother and how she has been able to move forward while still holding on to his memory. Together they discuss loss, healing and how grief looks different for all of us. Kim reflects with both Fred and Nancy on her journey and how Confronting has impacted her.
51 minutes | Jul 31, 2019
Living in Violence | 9
Enough is enough. Celebrities have always been held to a different standard of the law. In this story, that fact holds true. Simpson was able to skirt the law, even after his track record of his abuse and battery of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown. On this episode of Confronting, Kim explores the difficult and complex subject of domestic violence. Kim speaks with a close friend of Nicole Brown as well as with the advocate from the City of Los Angeles who handled Nicole’s case over 30 years ago. Finally, Kim speaks with policy expert Esta Soler, the founder of Futures Without Violence, who continues to fight for reforms around domestic violence in our criminal justice system and our culture.
49 minutes | Jul 24, 2019
What's Your Son Worth? | 8
The Goldmans didn’t get justice during the criminal trial, but the family had a second chance by filing a civil case against Simpson for the wrongful death of Ron. This time, it wouldn’t be “the People vs. Orenthal James Simpson”, it would be the Goldman’s name on the lawsuit. Kim speaks with Dan Petrocelli, the Goldman’s attorney for the lesser-known civil trial. Dan reflects on everything from his strategy in the courtroom, to the pressure he felt to win the case. Kim also speaks with Pablo Fenjves, a witness during the criminal trial who was later hired to ghostwrite Simpson’s book, If I Did It – a hypothetical account of the night of the murders. Pablo and Kim discuss how this book came to be and Pablo expresses what he learned as he wrote what was essentially a pseudo admission of guilt with Simpson.
4 minutes | Jul 19, 2019
Bonus: Entertaining the Jury
The jury in the Trial of the Century was sequestered for almost 9 months, longer than any jury before and since. But what did the jurors do when they weren’t in the jury box. In this bonus episode, jurors David Aldana and Lionel Cryer describe some of the ways the jurors were kept entertained when they weren't in the courtroom.
56 minutes | Jul 17, 2019
We The Jury | 7
When the Trial of the Century began, twelve jurors and twelve alternates stepped into the Los Angeles County Court House to perform their civic duty. What they couldn’t have expected was that over the next nine months, they would be sequestered from public life and essentially have their entire lives put on pause. After all those months of testimony it took them mere hours to render one of the most controversial Not Guilty verdicts in history. In this episode of Confronting, Kim speaks with two of the jurors, Lionel Cryer and David Aldana. Both Lionel and David recall their experiences as part of the jury, reflect on the verdict they rendered and discuss how they would vote 25 years later.
34 minutes | Jul 10, 2019
"Get Over It" | 6
This episode is different than what we told you would be coming your way. You were supposed to hear from jury members who acquitted O.J. Simpson in the criminal trial. Then something happened. We are going to pull back the curtain a bit and share something that occurred behind the scenes. We felt it was important to air this episode immediately. O.J. Simpson’s lawyer, Malcolm LaVergne, has been vocal in the press, making some shocking and disparaging comments about Kim and her family. Executive Producer, Nancy Glass, spoke with Malcolm to see if he or his client would have a conversation with Kim. This episode includes their call in full, completely unedited.Follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @Confrontingpod
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